On this episode of the Symbolical World Podcast, I'll be playing for you a discussion I had with Paul Vanderclay.

This was the second discussion I had with him.

For people who do not know, Paul Vanderclay is a pastor, a reform pastor in California.

And he is also a commentator on this entire Jordan Peterson phenomenon that is happening, how it also relates to other thinkers, such as Jonathan Haidt, now more recently, John Verveke.

And so he's a very interesting person who's thinking very deeply and trying to understand this situation, this meaning crisis, you could call it, and how to find solutions out of this problem. And so we had a lot

of fun discussing in part a continuation of the last two podcasts that I put up, the one about

Santa Claus and the one about principalities. And it is a continuation of how trying to understand

the manner in which the world lays itself out and how what we could call non-physical beings,

we can believe that they can exist in a manner which does not seem silly and superstitious.

So please enjoy. This is Jonathan Peugeot. Welcome to the symbolic world.

Hi, this is Paul, and today I'm having a conversation with Jonathan Pajot.

He probably needs no introduction to anyone who's subscribed to my channel.

And a couple of weeks ago, I sent Jonathan an email.

I said with all the Sam Harris talk, I thought it might be fun if we do a conversation.

Both Jonathan and I have been recently doing a lot of videos

that have kind of been downstream from this talk.

And so Jonathan, I really appreciate your willingness

to have a conversation today.

Yeah, it's great to talk to it again.

We're doing this once in a while.

It's nice.

And yeah, I've really been appreciating your kind of constant, you're taking it on so intensely

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