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Hey, you weren't ready to come in here. So thank you for being a trooper. Okay. We had a reschedule happened today, but I get to get you in here. We get to do a comeback on the other podcast we did. We talked a little bit about how we met and me fighting a lot as a kid. That doesn't matter. right right right. I want to talk more about other stuff, business, things that we've overcome together, things that we've shared, struggles we've had, failures we've turned into success and learning capability, things that we can do to help the listeners and followers out there to change their mindset. And even some of our staff, they can hear this shit and really kind of get to know how me and you jingle because people don't really get to see that, right? Fair enough. That's right. All right. Perfect. So Mr. Kevin Cleek, we met when we were nine years old. I tell everyone this story. We met on the same block. We used to play football with all the kids outside. Kevin was the fastest son of a bitch out there. I had the strongest arm.

I would throw it up.

Kevin would catch it.

Nobody wanted us on the same team. We played basketball. He would cheat. He would win. I would foul hard, push him in the garage. Those things would happen. Kevin was a hustler. I was a hustler. We would go and buy baseball cards and football cards, right? open them up get a gold gold card, sell them by more. Remember that? And, you know, we would trade cards. We would deal with all the kids and cards. This is when baseball. Play some blackjack. You're right. We play blackjack for cards. We do all that. Then we didn't live in middle class. I think we were a little less than middle class. You would agree. Bel Air was more middle class. That was the middle class. But we envied, right? We were like, damn, they got a golf course and they got a tennis court and we didn't live there. We lived in the outside of there. But we would go to that golf course and we would get golf balls and wash them and sell them and make lemonade and sell them at nine and 10 years old, right? Yeah. Yeah. So people don't understand. Like sometimes when you have it or you're a hustler, you're out there and you're on the grind and you've got goals and you want to do things, sometimes that starts early. Not all the time guys out there, but sometimes. And really, you know, we bonded. This was fifth and sixth grade. We were buddy. Seventh and eighth grade, we didn't hang out as much.

I was kind of a fool.

I was chasing chicks.

I thought I was going to play around with, you know, the stupid shit that teenagers play with in middle school and doing the wrong things. And you were doing some other things. But we collaborated back in 97. I came back to Arizona and I saw you and I'm like, damn, dude, you got this brand new neon.

You got little Dayton ass tires on it. I'm like, shit, clink's rolling like that. So I had my little CRX. I paid three grand for. It was my second car. My first car was a $300 piece of shit. 86 Dodge Lance. I had it for like two years or a year and a half.

But I finally got enough money to get a CRX. I show, I'm like, damn, you got this badass car. I'm like, how are you making money? You put me in the telemarketing game, Kevin. People don't know that, right? So talk about the job that you had and how I approached you and said, I need to make that paper too. because to let the listeners of viewers know,

I already got kicked out of school.

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