This is the BBC.

I'm a bit out of kilter because usually fortunately comes at the end of our busy busy weeks.

I think of it as being the pudding in my week.

Yeah, but it's flipped over and it's the starter because we're meeting on a Monday aren't we?

It won't be the same, Jane.

It already isn't the same. I think it might be marginally better.

You certainly look alright. Whereas by the end of the week you're looking like a tired...

...tack of dead trout.

You just look tired.

Anyway, my idea of a starter is crisps.

Is it really?

But we haven't got any.

Okay.

There's wrapping sounds in the background.

Many people think, oh lovely Jane has brought another pretty caddo for her friend.

But she hasn't.

No, so this is male that's arrived upstairs in the office.

And it is absolutely God's honest truth, isn't it?

That when we were both at five live, do you remember the anthrax scandal in America?

Which was dreadful.

White powder was being seen everywhere.

Yeah.

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