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The Rest Is Politics: Leading

37. Chris Hipkins, New Zealand PM: Working with Xi Jinping, fighting to stay in power, and zero covid's double-edged sword

The Rest Is Politics: Leading

Goalhanger

News, Government, Politics

4.63.2K Ratings

🗓️ 24 September 2023

⏱️ 55 minutes

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Summary

What is it like going from cabinet minister to Prime Minister? Are politicians in New Zealand more courteous than politicians in the UK? Why was New Zealand's Covid-19 response so effective? From the middle of his campaign trail for re-election, New Zealand's Prime Minister Chris Hipkins is here to discuss all these questions and more with Rory and Alastair in this week's Leading. TRIP Plus: Become a member of The Rest Is Politics Plus to support the podcast, enjoy ad-free listening to both TRIP and Leading, benefit from discount book prices on titles mentioned on the pod, join our Discord chatroom, and receive early access to live show tickets and Question Time episodes. Just head to therestispolitics.com to sign up, or start a free trial today on Apple Podcasts: apple.co/therestispolitics. Instagram: @restispolitics Twitter: @RestIsPolitics Email: restispolitics@gmail.com Producers: Dom Johnson + Nicole Maslen Exec Producers: Tony Pastor + Jack Davenport Learn more about your ad choices. Visit podcastchoices.com/adchoices

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0:00.0

Welcome to the rest's policies leading with me, Alistair Campbell, and me Rory Stewart.

0:10.6

And we're very, very lucky.

0:11.9

This is a credit to Alistair, who's brought on his friend, the Prime Minister in New Zealand,

0:18.4

right Honourable Chris Hipkins.

0:19.7

And Alistair, tell us a little bit about how we got this privilege.

0:23.2

How do we get here?

0:25.1

We're a mutual friend of ours, being Chris that is, called Darren Hughes.

0:30.4

I think he's one of your closest friends, and he was trying to get Jacinda for a while

0:35.6

while she was still Prime Minister, and then after she left.

0:38.2

And Chris, what's great about you doing this?

0:40.9

You're right in the middle of an election campaign.

0:44.7

So thank you very, very much for giving us some of your time.

0:47.4

It was fantastic to be able to talk to you.

0:49.5

We are.

0:50.2

We've got five and a half weeks to go until polling day.

0:52.8

It's a busy time over here in New Zealand, but it is great to be able to talk to you.

0:57.0

Well, it's great to see you.

0:58.3

Let's just kick off with the campaign, because that's where you are.

1:02.1

Now, Labour had an amazing success at the last election.

1:06.4

You know, you've absolutely run away.

1:09.8

And now you look at the opinion polls, and it's looking very, very tough for you.

1:14.2

You've been involved in a lot of campaigns.

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