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The Road to Now

#369 Ten Years of RTN w/ Bob Crawford & Ben Sawyer

The Road to Now

Benjamin Sawyer

Society & Culture, History

4.8628 Ratings

🗓️ 17 May 2026

⏱️ 59 minutes

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Summary

May 18, 2026 marks exactly ten years since Bob Crawford and Ben Sawyer launched the first episode of The Road to Now, so we decided to get together for a conversation reflecting on our first conversation, the unexpected places the show has taken us, and what we've learned along the way.

 

We are grateful to everyone who has taken the time to listen to this show, sat down with us for an interview, or shared kind words with someone else. When we recorded the first episode in the basement of Bridgestone arena, we didn't know where the show would lead us (or how to make a podcast), but after a decade of great conversations, live shows, and a humbling amount of support from listeners and guests, we're still going strong. And a special thanks to anyone who has supported us on Patreon- we couldn't have made this show what it is without your support.

 

Here's to another ten years. -Ben & Bob

 

This episode was edited by Gary Fletcher.

 

Transcript

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0:00.0

I'm Bob Crawford. I'm Ben Sawyer. And this is the road to now. So, Ben, this is our 10th anniversary, get together. We hope to have another pub. We need to have a public get together at some point. We will. When that time is, when we can do that we will this is the wedding you

0:21.1

know this is the courthouse wedding we'll we'll see you guys all the reception yes we're eloping

0:25.7

so uh i thought you know here i am i'm in paso robles i'm i know i'm posso robles i'm i know i'm

0:33.6

saying it wrong i just imagine that is that oak past oak pass in sp Spanish probis, I think. Oh, I don't know. I don't know. Well, it is a wine place. There you got. Fancy. Showing how the fancy I am with my language. But, you know, I don't sleep on the road. I don't sleep at home. I don't, I don't sleep, which is good for

0:55.6

productivity, bad for probably health, sanity, terrible for sanity. But I thought this is our 10th

1:03.2

anniversary episode, I'm going to shave this morning before we get, and I did not. I just, I am

1:10.5

just ragged. I can't tell, but Bob, I buzzed my beard down last night, like midnight and got shaved and everything. As you can tell by this t-shirt I put on, and the fact that my hair is not been fixed. You know, Bob, we're comfortable with each other now. That's what's happened. We're very comfortable. This is, hence, are eloping. You know, at this age, you're like, I'm 55, you're 45? 47. It gets to a point

1:35.5

where you just can't really do much for yourself. You try to do things, but the hair is thin here,

1:40.9

and it's thick here. And you just, at at some point we're just going to lose control of this

1:46.7

and we're going to but but what i'm trying to say is like i feel like i look haggard but i think

1:54.0

that's representative of the past 10 years we've lived through in this country that's right we've worn

2:00.4

on each other bob we've worn on each other,

2:00.9

Bob. We've worn on each other in the country. It's worn on us. Yeah, we're just worn down.

2:06.0

Aren't we though? But yes, but strangely enough, Bob, stronger than ever. You know,

2:11.1

this is the crazy thing about 10 years of the road to now is that I physically and mentally feel better than I have felt

2:19.7

probably since our third year or something. And this goes, we'll get to this question later.

2:25.4

But on Patreon, we asked for a call for questions. And Christian Jurgensen said, what was,

2:29.4

what was your biggest surprise this last 10 years? And I said, finding out I had cancer was the first

2:34.1

thing I thought. Hell of a surprise. That would be, that's a big one. But it's just crazy. I mean, I'm the only person I know that feels better at 47 and probably felt it like, you know, 41 or 42. But hey, that's not to say, I haven't worn down. I mean, for God's sakes, Bob, talking about missing hair. People have

2:50.9

been like, so when did the chemo make your hair start falling out? And I'm like, well, wasn't that kind of chemo? Right. Yeah, I saw a picture of myself from this angle. And I was like, oh, my gosh, that's, uh, we're getting a little thin up there. You got to do like, uh, You got to do like Big Bill Haywood did, you know, where he always turned his face away from the side where he was like had that messed up eye.

3:11.3

Yeah. Oh. getting a little thin up there you got to do like you got to do like a big bill haywood did you know

3:07.5

where he always turned his face away from the side where he was like had that messed up eye yeah oh

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