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Two Nice Jewish Boys

#368 - The End of Illusions: Redefining Peace in the Middle East (Dr. Ronen Shoval)

Two Nice Jewish Boys

Eytan and Naor

Society & Culture

1.7 • 804 Ratings

🗓️ 23 April 2025

⏱️ 70 minutes

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This episode is sponsored by HOLY CHUTZPAH https://holy-chutzpah.com/ *** It’s been three weeks since Israel resumed its ground operations in Gaza—but the mission still feels undefined. Fifty-nine hostages remain in Hamas captivity, and while the IDF maneuvers cautiously on the ground, the sense that we’re holding back our full strength lingers. At the same time, Trump is warning of an imminent strike on Iran, raising the specter of regional escalation. Domestically, chaos reigns. The government is in crisis over allegations that senior Netanyahu aides advanced Qatari interests. The Prime Minister’s attempt to fire Shin Bet chief Ronen Bar has been blocked by the Supreme Court—an unprecedented move that could trigger a constitutional showdown. And just yesterday, a leaked recording of the Shin Bet’s head of the Jewish department revealed him boasting about arresting settlers without any evidence. In a moment where everything feels fragile—national unity, legal order, deterrence—we’re left asking: where is this all headed? To help us think through these turbulent times, we’re joined by Dr. Ronen Shoval—a political philosopher, public intellectual, and longtime activist in Israel’s ideological landscape. He’s the Dean of the Tikvah Fund and founder of the Argaman Institute for Conservative Thought. He co-founded the influential “Im Tirtzu” movement, has taught at Princeton University, and is the author of Holiness and Society, a groundbreaking new book exploring the political theology of the Bible and its relevance to modern politics. Today, we turn to him to unpack the crisis, the philosophy behind it, and what might come next.

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0:00.0

All right, before we jump into the episode,

0:02.1

we want to talk about an exciting new sponsor,

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0:06.1

If it's not already obvious to you

0:08.4

that protecting Jews and defending Erz Yerritschral

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isn't a massive schv and a chyub

0:13.5

in the kingdom of the Torah Khadoshah,

0:15.1

and stop watching.

0:16.4

This video is not for you.

0:17.8

Keep scrolling.

0:22.6

Oh, you're still here. Then why would you, of all people, be donating money and funding yeshivos that actively boycott the IDF?

0:30.6

And even Ben Chayalim like me from learning then.

0:34.6

You seem shocked. I'll explain. If people like me choose to be

0:39.6

Macarindamid of serving an IDF, we get this honorably discharged from the yeshiva.

0:45.3

Yes, caked out of yeshiva. That's a simple truth for many well-branded

0:51.4

yeshivos even if they claim to davenin barbecue for the chai'lein.

0:56.0

Feeling bad, feeling mad, I would too.

1:01.0

It's true that learning Torah and Achtus for all of Amisar are really important mitzvirs.

1:06.0

But that doesn't mean you should be fooled into funding campaigns that actively boycott the idea. Do your homework.

1:13.5

Don't get scammed. Don't betray your own values and don't betray your own people.

1:24.5

Holy chutzpah. I didn't know this. This is a thing. Yeah, it's a really amazing campaign.

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It's educational. They're trying to educate people on what yeshiva to donate to and what

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