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This Is Actually Happening

366: What if you infiltrated a doomsday hate militia?

This Is Actually Happening

Wondery

True Crime, Tiah, Documentary, Society & Culture

4.69.9K Ratings

🗓️ 10 June 2025

⏱️ 76 minutes

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Summary

A young man channels his early struggles with anger into a dangerous undercover law enforcement career, facing the shadows of a double life and ultimately discovering that only love can fight hate. 

Today’s episode featured Scott Payne. You can find Scott on Instagram, LinkedIn & X 

@scottpaynebigcountry

Scott has been a featured guest on Joe Rogan Experience, Armchair Expert, Business Insider, Dr.Phil, KLOVE Morning Show, and The Glenn Beck Program. 

You can hear more about Scott’s story on Season 2 of the podcast White Hot Hate, https://link.mgln.ai/x1RDu4, from CBC Podcasts. White Hot Hate was produced alongside a book co-written by Scott Payne and Michelle Shephard titled Code Name: Pale Horse: How I Went Undercover to Expose America's Nazis. @cbcpodcasts

Producers: Whit Missildine, Andrew Waits, Forrest Chiras

Content/Trigger Warnings: divorce, animal death/sacrifice/ritual, murder, talk of domestic terrorism/neo-nazi/white supremacy, drug buy use, undercover sting operations, gruesome cartel murders, explicit language

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Intro Music: “Sleep Paralysis” - Scott Velasquez

Music Bed: Cylinder Four

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Transcript

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0:00.0

Wondry Plus subscribers can listen to exclusive episodes of This Is Actually Happening

0:05.0

by joining Wondry Plus in the Wondry app or on Apple Podcasts.

0:09.6

This Is Actually Happening features real experiences that often include traumatic events.

0:13.9

Please consult the show notes for specific content warnings on each episode

0:17.0

and for more information about support services.

0:34.5

Hate. I've hated. Can I hate? Yeah. Is it rewarding? Not really. Does it take a boatload of energy? Yes, it does. But spreading love is almost instantly gratifying.

0:40.8

It's okay for you to like something I don't.

0:42.8

It's okay for me to like something you don't.

0:44.8

We can still get along.

0:46.7

I like to eat.

0:48.0

Do you?

0:48.8

Do you like to breathe oxygen?

0:50.1

Me too.

0:50.8

You know?

0:51.4

Let's just start there.

1:00.2

Yeah. me too, you know? Let's just start there. From Wondery, I'm Whit Misseldine.

1:03.5

You're listening to This Is Actually Happening.

1:10.2

Episode 366.

1:13.6

What if you infiltrated a doomsday hate militia?

1:25.1

Hi, I'm Lindsay Graham, the host of Wondry's American Scandal.

1:28.7

In our latest series, a social worker in Tennessee becomes rich and powerful by selling babies

1:33.7

on the black market. By the time her crimes are exposed, she's made a fortune and destroyed

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