366. Epidemics and Delusions | Steve Templeton

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🗓️ 12 June 2023

⏱️ 89 minutes

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Dr. Jordan B. Peterson and Dr. Steve Templeton discuss his recent publication, “Fear of a Microbial Planet: How a Germophobic Safety Culture Makes Us Less Safe.” They break down the “discussed response” of the behavioral immune system, the pathogenic treatment of people during the COVID pandemic, the shift toward perceptual safety over common good, the programmatically induced fear that censors open discussion around these topics even now, and the impenetrability of those afraid, even when met with fundamental truths. Dr. Steve Templeton is the Associate Professor of Microbiology and Immunology at Indiana University School of Medicine Terre Haute, formerly CDC/NIOSH. Dr. Templeton is the author of the new publication, “Fear of a Microbial Planet: How a Germophobic Safety Culture Makes Us Less Safe.” The book examines pandemic responses, cultural and administrative, weighing historic examples against the COVID-19 pandemic. - Links - For Dr. Steve Templeton: Website https://www.stevetempletonauthor.com/ Substack: stemplet74.substack.com Twitter: @stemplet74 https://twitter.com/stemplet74

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0:00.0	Hello everyone, I'm speaking today with Steve Templeton.
0:18.5	He wrote a recent book very relevant to the times entitled Fear of a Microbial Planet,
0:25.6	how a germophobic safety culture makes us less safe.
0:30.4	It seems to me that a safety culture, all things considered, probably makes us globally
0:36.2	less safe, but that seems particularly the case in relationship, let's say, to germophobic
0:43.9	safety culture given what happened in the pandemic.
0:47.4	What specifically motivated you to write this book and when did you start writing it?
0:55.7	What did you see happening?
0:57.2	Yeah, so first of all, thank you for having me on your show on your podcast.
1:01.8	I'm very grateful to be here.
1:03.3	I've been a fan since 12 rules for life, so thanks so much for having me on.
1:08.6	But what originally happened was just with anyone else, the pandemic took me by shock,
1:14.6	such a surprise.
1:16.0	I didn't anticipate how we would respond to the pandemic.
1:22.0	I didn't anticipate the appetite of people for being able to have their lives completely
1:31.6	shut down and controlled by politicians and other people, public health experts.
1:39.0	I was really floored by the type of response and the way that people were behaving.
1:45.4	It made me think they don't really have an idea of their microbial environment because
1:53.4	you're seeing things like people wearing masks outside, you're seeing playgrounds being
1:58.7	shut down, hiking trails, things like that, that there was absolutely no evidence that there
2:05.7	would be any sort of risk to those activities.
2:12.0	I was really floored by how widespread that was.
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