This is Aiton Weinstein. And I'm Na'or Menninger, and you're listening to Two Nice Jewish Boys.

Dr. Enaut-Wilf has never been one to shy away from challenging the status quo.

Born into a labor Zionist family, she grew up believing in a dream of peace through compromise and coexistence.

But her time working in foreign policy, education, and politics let her do some tough realizations. Over the years, she's become one of the loudest voices

pushing back on what she sees as dangerous illusions, both in Israel and abroad, about the

nature of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.

Through her books like The War of Return and Republic Speaking, Dr. Wilf has become a champion of pragmatic Zionism, unapologetically advocating for Israel's right to exist and thrive

in the face of ongoing rejection.

While Enat-Wilf shifted gradually away from the Israeli left,

on October 7th, countless Israelis made a similar shift only drastically.

The brutal Palestinian attack not only took thousands of innocent lives,

but also shattered the belief for many

that peace is just a matter of compromise. People who once held on to the hope of coexistence

are now questioning everything. This shift echoing the journey of Dr. Wilf grapples with

hard truths about the conflict and what it will take to secure Israel's future.

Today we're sitting down with Dr. Aynat-Wilf to talk about her journey, how October

7th has changed the conversation in Israel and what she thinks lies ahead for Zionism,

the conflict and the Jewish people. Dr. Wilf is a former member of the Israeli parliament,

a prolific author, and one of the sharpest minds on these issues.

We're thrilled to be joined today by Dr. Anand Wilf on the Two Nice Jewish Boys Podcast.

Thank you so much for joining us. How are you?

I'm good. Thank you.

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