There's a lot of fear around debt too.

I mean, some people are just raised to think that credit cards are bad.

But it's all about how you use them.

And if you educate yourself more about them on how to use them for them to benefit you, then they become really powerful tools.

Speaking of disconnecting and finding your way around, I think Teresa and I are trying to figure out how disconnecting and what vacation looks like now with two kids.

Yeah.

I don't know how we're, that's the thing that we're trying to figure.

I'm listening to you talk about that.

And obviously for you, you've had different versions of vacationing with

family and without for your life. Now we're going through that. It's not so easy.

No. Got to figure it out. So what are you doing to figure it out? What are you, what are your,

do you have a plan? No, we don't have a plan. Do you have a place you want to go or a timeline to go there? How old is Lincoln? Well, so Lincoln is coming up on a year. He's 11 months. Okay. Oh my God. He's 11 months. Yeah. He I'm just, I don't think you can see it now. He uses his head for everything. So we bought him a little helmet because he crawls around and he just pushes stuff out of the way with his head.

Oh my God.

And he head butts me all the time because he just like, it's too heavy for his body sometimes.

I got a black eye like a week ago from it.

I had a big old bruise under.

How funny.

These little remnants from these kiddos that you just want to like, they do it and you get so mad.

But you love him.

He's just smiling because he's just, it's the most adorable thing when they do it.

He just throws his head into you and that's like love, right?

It's just them, they want to bury their head in your chest and your face and everything.

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