We're speaking five years after the death of George Floyd.

People were not interested in the truth.

They were really interested in emotion.

And all in all, it was going to end in an irrational kind of response, which it did.

People wanted to say that Britain as a whole was systemically racist.

The thing that people didn't want to talk about with human agency.

This was kind of almost a sin.

You cannot say that poor black people should be able to use their own efforts to forward themselves.

They're incapable. That's almost the message from the left.

Hello, I'm Fraser Myers, Deputy Editor of Spiked. I'm absolutely thrilled to be joined by Lord Tony Searle.

Now, Tony, we're speaking five years after the death of George Floyd, which sparked the kind

of globalisation of the Black Lives Matter movement. You were tasked by the British government

of the time at looking into the various racial and ethnic disparities that still plague the

UK. We can come onto that in the moment in some of your conclusions.

But just looking back on 2020, do you think it's fair to say, did we lose our minds a little bit

back then? We lost everything, minds, everything, you know, everything went really.

And probably looking, it's really interesting.

You know, that along with COVID, people do lots of reflections now as to, what, what happened

there, you know, what was I, did I really do that?

Did I really say that?

Or did I really lock everybody up, you know?

And it's similar, I think, with the BLM stroke kind of global infection that

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