Wired.com presents The Geek's Guide to the Galaxy. And here is your host, David Barr-Kirtley.

Hello and welcome to episode 363 of Geek's Guide to the Galaxy.

Our guest today is Matt Barton.

He's a professor of English at St Cloud University in Minnesota, and he's written several books

about video game history, including vintage games and honoring the code.

He's also the host of the popular YouTube show Matt Chat, which features interviews with leading game designers,

with a special emphasis on computer role-point games of the 80s and 90s and

we'll be speaking with him today about his new book Dungeons and

Destops the history of computer role playing game second edition which he wrote

with Shane Stacks and now here's an interview with Matt Barton.

All right, so we're here with Matt Barton.

Welcome to the show.

Hi, Dave, good to be here.

Thanks for inviting me.

Oh yeah, thanks for being on the show.

I've been a fan of your YouTube channel for a long time. Thanks for being on the show.

I've been a fan of your YouTube channel for a long time,

so I'm excited to be able to talk to you.

Oh, right.

So my first question is, you've said that your first CRPG

that you ever played was the Bard's Tale.

So tell us about that. Yeah, it's the first one that

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