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Elliot Morris.

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James, you know, the longer this war goes on and around,

and Trump really desperately wants to get out, he's violated two incredibly basic precepts. One, you go into something with an objective. It may change, but you know what your end goal is. Trump's end goal has changed daily almost over the last four weeks. And two, as Pullen Pound said,

if you break it, you own it. Trump blatantly violated both. He don't want to own it. He just

wants the bomb and get out. He doesn't want ownership of anything that has any risk. He really,

in the beginning, he thought, well, look, what I did in Venezuela, it wasn't

that easy. The problem is there's no Delci in Tehran. And these are evil people, but they're also

tough and trenched people. So, you know, hopefully the good news is that other countries like Turkey and Gutter are starting to mediate

rather than the take the money and run gold dust twins, Steve Whitkoff and Jared Kushner.

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