I'm Tim here today with Lance. Lance, how's it going today? Oh, it's going great today. I'm feeling really good about this conversation that's coming up.

I hope everybody out there's doing well. And I'm feeling really good about your mood because you came into this intro,

firing on all cylinders. How are you? I'm doing great. I'm firing on all cylinders, as you said. And I'm really excited to introduce this conversation we had with this wonderful author.

Her name is Erica Englehop and she wrote a book called Gory Details, which is gross in all the best ways.

Right. We touch on that benign masochism that really drives the point home if you're going to try to describe this book to somebody.

It's about all of those things that you are grossed out about. You know it's not going to harm you,

but really what stands out about this book and Erica's work is that she is directly relating it

in some places to how crime scenes can be misinterpreted or contaminated, how individuals can be falsely

accused. When touch DNA just happens to be discovered on somebody's fingernails and made nothing

to do with the crime or how a fly could poop on the wall. And that looks like blood spatter.

Sort of compromises these crime scenes. And we have a lot of good laughs in this conversation and

I think people are going to find it interesting a little gross and eye-opening I hope so and Erica also

writes as part of the gory details blog from National Geographic so she's a prolific writer as well as

as now an author and she has two science degrees so you know she knows what she's a prolific writer as well as now an author.

And she has two science degrees, so you know she knows what she's talking about.

And we just wanted to give a quick shout out.

We had mentioned towards the end of the episode she really enjoyed,

and you and I, Tim, really enjoyed the audiobook version of this.

And the narrator on that audiobook is the talented Mary Weiss. And also, if you

get the hardcover of gory details, it has the glow in the dark images and the illustrator

is the very talented artist, Brianie Morrow Cribs. Yeah, it is a great book and funny too. And

this conversation with Erica is great. I have a feeling all of our listeners will love it.

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