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4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild

#362: Can I Get Free and Stay Free? With Ian Morgan Cron

4:13 Podcast with Jennifer Rothschild

Jennifer Rothschild

Religion & Spirituality, Christianity

51.1K Ratings

🗓️ 7 August 2025

⏱️ 45 minutes

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Summary

We’re all just trying to get through life in this messed-up world, and whether we realize it or not, we all go looking for a “fix” to help us cope with the pain, uncertainties, or difficulties we face. 

Sometimes those fixes seem harmless, and other times, they spiral into habits we can’t break.

So, today on the 4:13, best-selling author, psychotherapist, and Enneagram expert Ian Morgan Cron will challenge the way you think about addiction. He’ll explain what addiction really is, how everyone is addicted to something, and why the 12 Steps aren’t just for alcoholics—they’re for all of us.

Whether you’ve struggled with overeating, overworking, perfectionism, or just find yourself stuck in a bad habit or unhealthy cycle, you’ll discover that addiction isn’t just “their” problem. It’s all of ours. We’re all prone to self-destructive behaviors that ultimately create more problems than they solve.

But here’s the good news: there’s a path to freedom. And it’s not about white-knuckling your way through change—it’s about a grace-powered transformation that leads to spiritual awakening. 

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0:00.0

You know, all of us have fixes that we come up with to deal with internal pain.

0:09.5

Some of them are mild, granted, and some of them are severe, but we all have them.

0:14.8

And that is just classic Christian teaching going back 16 or 1700 years. Now, obviously, some of those are more, have more severe consequences on relationships, jobs,

0:29.6

you know, health, etc.

0:31.6

But the fact of the matter is, no matter how mild or severe, all addictions or what the early fathers of the church

0:39.2

would have called attachments diminish our relationship with God.

0:46.7

We all suffer from a sense of spiritual homelessness, this feeling that we're not fully at home

0:53.2

in this world.

0:55.5

So, to cope with this feeling, we search for quick fixes that can eventually become self-destructive choices that

1:02.2

ultimately create more problems than they actually solve. Listen, everybody is addicted to

1:09.3

something just to get through life in this messed up world.

1:12.4

But today you are about to get the fix.

1:15.9

Bestselling author Ian Kron is going to unpack his latest book and it's called The Fix.

1:22.9

And you are about to learn how working the 12 steps, yes, those 12 steps can result in a vital

1:31.7

spiritual awakening that is going to give you an entirely new and liberating way of living.

1:39.1

So if you want to get free and stay free, today's episode is for you. Here we come, Casey Wright.

1:46.4

Welcome, welcome to the 413 podcast where practical encouragement and biblical wisdom set you up

1:53.7

to live the I can life because you can do all things through Christ who strengthens you.

1:59.9

Now, welcome your host, Jennifer Rothschild.

2:03.2

Hello, our dear ones.

2:04.2

We're so glad you're here.

2:05.7

And you, because of you, we have four million downloads.

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