and they thought, oh, if we touch the baby's face, well, it's under the water, it's going to cause it to gasp.

I heard those things in the 80s, the 90s, the 2000s, the 2010s, the 2020s. That's still a common belief. It's not true. I've been

attending water births for 40 years. If there were bad outcomes, we would have seen it. In my own

practice of about 1,200 births, not a single baby has ever

attempted to take a breath while they're under the water. It can't do that because even if you

run completely out of oxygen, you have not switched from fetal circulation to

newborn circulation. You must be in the atmosphere to do that.

I'm Cynthia Overgard, birth educator, advocate for informed consent, and postpartum support specialist.

And I'm Tresha Ludwig, certified nurse midwife and international board certified lactation consultant.

And this is the Down to Birth Show.

Childbirth is something we're made to do.

But how do we have our safest and most satisfying experience in today's medical culture?

Let's dispel the myths and get down to birth.

Barbara Harper, the woman who needs no introduction, you are definitely a fan favorite on

Down to Birth Show. Your three episodes with us have been wildly popular. Those were episodes 100,

122, and 200. So we missed the mark on episode 300. We got to get you back for episode 400, whatever we do.

But thank you so much for taking the time.

You travel the world all the time, and we're so grateful whenever you make time for us.

So thank you for being here.

Oh, it's my great pleasure, Cynthia and Tricia, to revisit you.

And it's my pleasure to listen to you all the time. You're on my favorite podcast list. And I do like to check in. And you have some interesting guests. So it's

always a pleasure to come back. Thank you. Well, you've probably been hearing us chatting a little bit lately about some of the

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