I recently listened to Sarah Silverman complain, with all the smugness of someone hosting

The Daily Show, as she was, about how a book she wrote was in a massive dataset used to

train large language models.

That book is about my actual life, she said, and ChatGPT stole all of it.

Now, whether OpenAI stole something as a matter of copyright, I have my doubts. I read a lot of books. I learn from

them and I riff on them in all kinds of small ways that aren't copyright infringement.

But put a pin in that. My first thought, watching Silverman, was what an aristocrat? In America, our politics generally

code left, right, but another good lens is powerful, not powerful. It's popular among today's

powerful to strike a pose of fighting the powerful.

Maybe sometimes they are.

But often it's all just a cover for, you know, being powerful.

Being an aristocrat, defending the system that is, the one that has served the interests

of the powerful quite well.

Thank you very much.

This is the tech policy podcast.

I'm Corbyn Barthold.

I'm not really sure how much of what I just said has to do with our episode today.

But my guest is promised to say a lot of, quote, bananas things, which I'm very excited about, and which I guess put me in

the mood to approach this one a bit orthogonally. He also calls copyright holders landlords,

so there's that.

Ryan Fry is the Spears Gilbert Professor of Law at the University of Kentucky, J. David Rosenberg College of Law.

I didn't ask him in advance whether I should introduce him as the Dogecoin professor of law and grifting, as he puts it on social media.

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