360: The Self-Care Nobody Is Talking About with Diane Boden
Maximized Minimalist Podcast
Katy Wells
4.8 • 936 Ratings
🗓️ 20 May 2026
⏱️ 37 minutes
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Self-Care That Actually Works (And Why the Bubble Bath Isn't Fixing Burnout)
Have you ever done all the "right" self-care things…
the candle, the skincare, the journal, the meditation app…
…and still felt completely overwhelmed?
In this episode, Katy sits down with Diane Boden from the Minimalist Moms Podcast for an honest conversation about what self-care actually looks like in real life.
Together, they unpack:
- why so many women still feel burnt out after "taking care of themselves"
- how comparison quietly drains us
- why friendships matter more than we realize
- the pressure to constantly achieve
- and how true self-care often has far more to do with subtraction than addition
This episode feels like a long coffee chat with two women pulling back the curtain on modern motherhood, overwhelm, identity, and the mental load so many of us carry every day.
KEY TAKEAWAYS FROM THIS EPISODE:
1) Minimalism can help—but it won't magically fix burnout
Diane shares that simplifying your home absolutely makes life more manageable… but it doesn't automatically solve overwhelm if your schedule, expectations, or emotional load are still overflowing.
As she puts it:
"Minimalism is a tool… it's not going to make our lives perfect."
You can declutter your closets and still feel emotionally exhausted if you're saying yes to too much, constantly comparing yourself, or tying your worth to achievement.
2) Friendship might be one of the most overlooked forms of self-care
One of Diane's biggest self-care anchors?
Friendship.
Not performative friendship.
Not "networking."
Real human connection.
The kind where you can let your guard down and simply be known.
Katy and Diane talk honestly about how easy it is—especially in motherhood—to unintentionally isolate yourself. And how meaningful connection often starts with very small moments of vulnerability.
3) Self-care doesn't always look glamorous
Sometimes self-care is:
- going outside
- reading a nonfiction book
- taking a digital Sabbath
- saying no
- resting without earning it first
- noticing flowers on a walk
- sitting quietly with your thoughts
Diane shares how stepping away from constant news consumption and social media comparison dramatically improved her mental health.
And Katy reflects on how often we're sold the idea that self-care is something we buy… instead of something we practice.
4) Comparison creates problems that didn't exist before
This part of the conversation goes deep.
Katy and Diane unpack how social media, beauty culture, achievement culture, and even "perfect minimalism" can quietly make us feel like we're never enough.
More productive.
More organized.
More successful.
More beautiful.
More optimized.
And the problem?
Once we believe we're lacking… someone is always ready to sell us the solution.
5) Rest is productive—even when nothing gets checked off
Diane shares one practice that became incredibly important for her: taking intentional Sabbath-style rest days.
Not necessarily doing "nothing."
But intentionally unplugging from pressure, content creation, performance, and productivity.
As she explains, the world keeps moving even when we step away.
And often, that space is exactly what helps us reconnect to ourselves again.
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Transcript
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Katie Wells, host of the Maximized Minimalist podcast. I escape the hamster wheel of modern day |
| 0:08.6 | motherhood, overwhelmed by clutter and buried under the mental load. Now I live in a home that |
| 0:14.1 | feels calm, manageable, and made for real life. I have margin in my days, energy for who matters most, |
| 0:22.3 | and time for slow mornings and silly dance parties in the kitchen with my family. With over 5 million listens, |
| 0:27.4 | the show has helped women around the world turn their homes into their happy place. Around here, |
| 0:33.0 | we simplify for more peace, more presence, and more joy. We choose grace over guilt and progress |
| 0:39.4 | over perfection. And we believe your home should give back more than it takes. I'm here to help |
| 0:45.5 | you do the same. Come along with me and my guests as we share the real stories, habits, and strategies |
| 0:50.9 | that help you lighten the load from the inside out. Pull up a seat, friend, |
| 0:54.9 | and let's do this together. Ready, set, simplify. Hello, simplifiers. We are welcoming to the show |
| 1:05.4 | today, Diane Bowden. I am super thrilled to have Diane on. Earlier in this year, I was on her show and just excited to bring her on. |
| 1:14.3 | We had so many connection points and alignment that we were like basically after that, we're like, |
| 1:19.0 | let's book our next hangout. And I think it's a natural discussion for us to talk about really self-care and what that looks like. |
| 1:26.6 | So if you've ever done the face mask, lit the candle, ordered the journal, cuted up the meditation app and thought, like, this is supposed to be helping. So why do I feel like I'm still drowning? This episode is going to be for you. I think we'll go somewhere that I don't think enough people are talking about. And that is like, what if this self-care we've been told to do isn't actually fixing anything and fixing the root problem, which we are big here on the show. And I know Dan can relate. You know, what if the answer is really about not only just having less to do, but removing all these other things that have been draining us. So Dan, welcome to the show. Excited to get into it with you. |
| 2:19.9 | Yes. I'm so excited to join you. And I hope that some of these answers are helpful. I know self-care is not one-size-fits-all, but hopefully we can spark some encouragement here, people. Yeah, you're right. And I'm glad you brought that up firsthand because it's layered, it's nuanced. I mean, the reality is I speak to this often, as I know you do too. |
| 2:18.5 | Like, I feel like even in motherhood, so my kids are nine and 11, |
| 2:23.7 | we have kids about the same age. It's like, it's not just like seasons of like baby and toddler. |
| 2:29.2 | It's like a thousand micro seasons within those seasons. And there, there is only so much capacity we have in those |
| 2:37.8 | seasons. And, you know, this is just to bring what works for you, what you've learned through your |
| 2:42.4 | journey and, you know, take it with a grain of salt. So I do want to start by like also saying, |
| 2:47.0 | you've been in this space for a really long time too. You have your podcast. You've got three and you wear a lot of hats and I feel like from the outside in when I see people who are accomplishing all these things in life whether it's on social media or TV or whatever I think a lot of us tend to think like oh wow she's got everything figured out so I kind of want to start there I want to ask like has there been a season and maybe that's now or in the past where you feel like you're doing all the right things, but still feel burnt out and overwhelmed? |
| 3:16.2 | Yes, I would say this might be the season that I'm actually in right now. I think I'm coming out of it. Hopefully, fingers crossed. But you're right. I think there's |
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