If I'm being honest, anything after two shots for me with a shotgun, I'm just, I'm just angry. I'm just pulling the trigger.

I totally agree. Especially when you're hunting, that third shot is either a Hail Mary or a screw it. I'm just gonna throw another one at him.

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All right. Welcome into another edition of gun talk nation, where we talk about everything in the world to do with guns.

Today on the show, a recurring guest on the show show Joel Hodgden, Remington ammo. Welcome in, man.

Thanks for having me back, Ryan. Always good to be here and gun talk.

So Joel, what's you've been doing lately? Are you been shooting any, is there anything that's like ammo wise that's you've been playing with?

You know, I just got back from the range yesterday and usually I'm tapping away on some emails and some meetings on Tuesday, but I was out shooting with some media folks.

And we were shooting our new Buckhammer cartridge, which you know, it's a, it's a big 358 diameter 200 grain bullet and we were just kind of landed it on some steel like a couple hundred yards out.

So it was the trajectory was probably like a catapult, you know, and I mean, it was kind of in there, but it was a, it was still good.

And you know, big enough bullet, you know, when you hit it, that's for sure.

I mean, that, that round you guys developed it and it seems to be getting some traction in and with a new cartridge you never know, like is it going to catch on it's always a chicken egg thing.

You develop this round and then you need gun companies to kind of chamber it.

And then a lot of people haven't shot it yet. So what's it like to shoot because this is not necessarily a high pressure around. It's not a magnum.

No, no, I mean, I believe 360 buck cameras at 50,000 PSI, which you think about.

Buckhammer came from 30 30. So we started off with a 30 30 winchester parent case and basically just skip the steps in our production process and our restaurant to get rid of the bottleneck and extend that brass case out to be I believe 1.8 inches 1.7 inches something like that.

So, you know, it was a, it's a, it's a, it's a cool round and it uses more modern propellants. So 30 30 came out a hundred years ago.

Please put this powder, believe it or not.

So now using a more modern propellants modern gunpowder in Buckhammer.

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