Our Our guest today might just be clairvoyant.

In 2019, Jeff Kasef's book on Section 230, the 26 words that created the Internet,

emerged just as that law's liability shield for online intermediaries rose to national attention.

His next book, The United States of Anonymous, was released just as states started to consider

online age and, as a side effect, identity, verification laws.

Jeff Kasef's latest book is Liar in a Crowded Theater, Freedom of Speech in a World of

Misinformation. This one is about the right to false speech under the First Amendment, and, like Jeff's previous efforts, its release is perfectly timed.

Whether it's the federal government pressuring social media platforms to remove speech deemed false by government officials,

or states requiring platforms to carry speech deemed false by the platforms,

or the Department of Justice prosecuting a former president for false speech, false speech that also, you know,

might have formed part of a criminal conspiracy. Legal disputes about falsehood seem to be everywhere these days.

Did I mention the conservatives who want to make it easier to sue people for defamation?

And the progressives who want to make it easier to prosecute people for spreading misinformation?

We've got a lot to discuss today.

Welcome back to the Tech policy podcast. I'm Corbyn Barthold. Jeff Kasef is an associate professor of cybersecurity law in the United States

Naval Academy's Cyber Science Department. I've read all three of those books I mentioned,

and I'm a huge fan,

and I'm delighted to have him here today.

I'm also delighted to be joined once again by my friend Ari Cohn,

Free Speech Council here at Tech Freedom.

Gentlemen, welcome to you both.

Thanks so much for having me.

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