In this episode, you'll hear some adult language.

So if you've got little ones around, grab your headphones now.

The goal is to be able to make room for all of your human experiences

and not be reactive.

Yes.

And choose to kind of respond from a place of as much love

and patience as you can muster in the moment.

Hey, it's Marie Forleo and welcome to another episode of the Marie Forleo podcast

the place to be to create a friggin business in life you love.

And I'm so excited about today's show.

So I don't know if you have ever identified as being a perfectionist, right?

I certainly have.

And if you've ever been shamed for it or told you need to lower your standards

or your too much or blah, blah, blah, blah.

The conversation we're having today is from probably one of the first people

who's ever made me feel hopeful and excited and grateful about my natural traits

and I cannot wait for you to hear this conversation.

Catherine Morgan Schaffler is a psychotherapist, writer, speaker, and former

onsite therapist at Google.

She trained at the University of California, Berkeley, Columbia University

and the Association for Spirituality and Psychotherapy in New York City.

Her book, The Perfectionist Guide to Losing Control, is available wherever books are sold.

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