Rosemary Orchard, welcome to the talk show. I have been a fan of your work written and podcast for so long.

I've been meaning to invite you on the show and I'm so happy to have you here.

Thank you. That is very flattering and slightly overwhelming. I still remember the first time I met you at WWDC

and I'm like, oh my gosh, it's John. It's John and everyone else is just like, yeah, they do. How's it going?

And it's like, oh, okay. Nice guy then. Cool. Good. Yeah. Thanks for having me. I'm excited to be here.

I think I've gotten so much better at that. I do remember meeting you. I hope I was charming. Yes, yes, you're lovely.

I used to be. I used to be in the early days of being recognized. I was catatonic.

I didn't anticipate it. I learned a lot from Merlin Mann about how to interact in such situations.

I started observing what he did and he was so he's so fantastic when people come up and they're like,

hey, Merlin and he's amazing. And I just like took notes on what he does and it's been helpful ever since.

Before we get into the meat of the show, I have a personal rant I would like to get off my chest.

I'm curious. Now I presume that you, I mean, it's almost more than a presumption. I'd be shocked if

this were true, but you are an avid user of all three of the major personal computing Apple platforms.

The iPhone, iPad and Mac. What's an iPad? Yeah, I use all of them a lot.

I'm possibly more than I should. Maybe I should spend some less time looking at screens,

but yeah, I feel like I'm on all of them all day every day. Do you have an iPad magic keyboard?

I do. The 12.9 inch one has got the magic keyboard on it. Yeah, it's generally a really good experience.

Here's my gripe. I've got one that I bought new. I bought when it was when it first came out,

which I think was like April 2020 for my 2018 11 inch iPad Pro, which is still my personal iPad.

The iPad for me is without question my third platform. Like if I've mentioned this often, but if a

weirdo criminal took me hostage and said or took my family hostage and said, you have to give up

one of Apple's platforms. Otherwise, we're going to do some bad to your family.

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