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🗓️ 21 February 2024
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Sam Harris speaks with Peter Zeihan about the unraveling world order. They discuss the Bretton Woods system, America’s role in securing the global supply chain, the coming end of American security guarantees, the shrinking of the US Navy, Houthi terrorism, deterring Iran, conflict in the Middle East, the future of Israel, the limits of immigration, the demographic pyramid, the demise of Europe, the war in Ukraine, the prospect of nuclear war, demographic collapse in China, loose nukes, America’s relative immunity to the world’s chaos, U.S. debt, the U.S. Southern border and immigration policy, why Trump will not win the 2024 election, and other topics.
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0:51.4 | display, isolationist willing to abdicate US leadership |
0:56.6 | globally, unconcerned that they now have a candidate who openly supports dictators in wars of aggression who said that he would encourage |
1:06.1 | Putin to do whatever the hell he wants to our NATO allies if they don't spend enough on their |
1:09.6 | own defense because they're quote delinquent in their payments as though the defense of Western |
1:15.1 | civilization has all the significance of a rental dispute over a condominium in Florida |
1:20.6 | it would be one thing to argue for American isolationism, and to reconsider our involvement |
1:26.4 | in foreign conflicts. |
1:28.4 | I do think it would be easy to take the other side of that argument and to make the case |
1:31.8 | that pulling back from the world that is |
1:34.1 | failing to defend democracies against aggressive autocracies, failing to |
1:38.6 | defend our traditional allies, losing NATO, etc. I think it would be easy to argue that all of that would be very bad, not just |
1:46.8 | for the world but for American security eventually. But what we see on the right is not |
1:52.0 | merely an America first agenda. |
1:56.0 | We see a totally amoral and in many cases immoral fondness for dictators and for Putin in particular and for the total eclipse of |
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