Welcome to Being Boss, a podcast for creatives, business owners, and entrepreneurs who want

to take control of their work and live life on their own terms.

I'm your host Emily Thompson, and in this episode I'm joined by Kathleen Shannon to talk

about how to do business during hard times, whether that's global hard times or just a hard

time for your business at any moment.

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Kathleen Shannon is the co-founder and former co-host of this show, The Being Boss Podcast,

joining me for the first 240-ish episodes of this show, with several one-off episodes since.

Kathleen is a partner and creative director at Brick Creative, a branding agency she founded

with her sister over 10 years ago. Kathleen has always loved by capturing, shaping,

and sharing who she is, whether that's with a blog post, a podcast, or on social media.

Okay, so I feel like this is the coldest open ever, and mostly because Kathleen and I just

got on Skype, I'll call it, because that fills very retro. And she goes, I have a funny story to

tell you, but we have to wait until we're on the podcast. And I have no idea what this is about,

but Kathleen apparently is about to tell me a very funny story. Have at it.

So last night, I was catching up on last week tonight with John Oliver, which is a show

with this British guy, John Oliver, who's usually commenting on like American politics,

and it's definitely very left-leaning. And he'll expose things like what's wrong with the

dialysis system or the healthcare system or the policing system. So he's always kind of doing

deep dives, sometimes into pretty niche topics. So last night, he was doing a deep dive into

where I was kind of only half paying attention honestly, because sometimes it riles me up,

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