It's time for episode 353 of the Clockwise Podcasts from Relay FM, recorded Wednesday, July 1st, 2020.

Clockwise, four people, four tech topics, 30 minutes.

Well, Welcome back to Clockwise, the Tech Podcasts where our tech info is never secondhand.

My name is Dan Moran, and I am joined across the internet, sitting in from Micah Sargent, our post-emeritus co-founder of the show. It's Jason Snell. Hi, Jason.

Hi, Dan. I guess singing on Clockwise Worked, huh? Now I'm, now I'm the guest host. Yeah, well done. Need to be here. That is the official Highlander-like succession scenario, I believe.

That's right. That's how Micah got the job. That's right. It's all the singing. And he continues to.

This is, of course, the show where we talk tech with two fantastic guests.

To my left this week, it's a software engineer and a game developer.

It's a frequent guest here.

And, of course, co-host of Rocket, a neighbor here on Real A FM.

It's Brianna Wu.

Welcome back, Bree.

Let's do it. Let's make a good show. I feel it. All right. All right.

And to my left, it's an expert at shortcuts and iOS user automation, Matthew Cassinelli.

Matt, welcome.

Hello, hello.

How's it going?

It's good to have you here.

Thank you, thank you.

We've assembled our crack crew.

So let's kick things off. It is, of course,

beta season in the Apple world. And my question for you, folks, is what is your strategy for installing Apple software beta? Do you jump right in with both feet? Do you wait for like a specific

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