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free on today's conversation then. Mariana Matsukato is one of the most interesting economic

policy thinkers in the business today. Her previous books include the value of everything,

making and taking in the global economy, mission economy, a moonshot guide to changing capitalism,

and the entrepreneurial state debunking public first private sector myths. Her latest book,

The Big Con, ribries together over previous work through the lens of analyzing the negative role

of the consulting industry plays in the public and private sectors. Zooming out though,

the episode isn't really just about one industry or one sector dominating the other or not

existing at home, the case was consulting. Mariana thinks that the public and private sectors

both have huge roles to play in resolving big issues. You could see our conversations really

interesting discussion about Tesla and government loans after the 2008 financial crisis.

And of course, there's even a role for consulting there too. The position is a little more nuanced

to do things from the book title. The key really is separating the myths from the facts,

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