Shovey, yeah, let's do it. Well, here it is that it's episode number 352 of the way I heard it,

it doesn't really have a title because we don't know what it is. We don't know what it is. What we

do know for sure is that we're trying something new and if you're watching on YouTube you've already

figured it out. We're in person in my office down in Santa Monica where with an extraordinary amount

of good luck we'll be able to do many, many more of these because as much as I've loved it

Chuck, as much as I've really truly enjoyed the chance to sit with you virtually and interview

many, many dozens of excellent subjects over the last couple of years. It's just simply not a

satisfying as being face to face. Mano and Mano. Yes, I realized that you have found the experience

of the virtual experience lacking in... I wouldn't say lacking so much. I just hate it. That's it.

I just hate it. I always confuse those two. What you're hearing now is ice falling into a couple

of tumblers because I thought we'd celebrate this our inaugural launch of an in-person podcast with

a little sort of my grandfather's wisdom. Can I tell you I've had about two drinks in the last

month and like last five weeks. Yeah, two total drinks. One was with Deegan, met him for a cocktail

and I thought I invited him to drinks and I thought well crap, I guess I better have a drink.

Michael Deegan, our old friend. Yeah, what a terrific drunk he is. Oh, he's great. No, you'd

never know when he's drunk because he can put it away, man. This guy is one of the great commercial

producers of all time. Yeah. In no way is he overwhelming but he's so constantly and consistently

there doing everything you want a producer to do. He anticipates every problem there is. He always

has a solution. He always has a smile. He's the consummate entertainer. He knows how to take care

of the client as well as the talent. Yes. And he just manages egos and he solves problems and

honestly there's so much you could learn from him, Chuck. Let me just say that the greatest lesson

I learned from him, the greatest thing he ever did was to keep me from dying when we did the

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