Marshall here. Welcome back to the Railignment.

Today is a little less than two years out from the 2024 presidential election.

So it's the perfect time to check in on the state of the media and the various debates around

corporate power, legacy media, independent media, Fox, CNN, MSNBC, all that and everything

in between. Speaking with Steve Krakow, he's the author of Uncovered, How the Media Got Closy

with Power, Abandoned His Principles, and MOST the People. He's definitely the perfect gas to

discuss this topic. He is a former CNN executive. He produces Megan Kelly's podcast and he has a

great newsletter called The Fourth Watch, which hits at these debates and the broader structure of

these businesses as well too. That comes through his book spends a lot of time with plenty of

interesting folks like Libyan Nuzzi, previous Realignment Gets like Josh Rogan, and others like

that. I definitely recommend you check out all of his great work, which is linked in the show notes.

Last thing before we get into the episode, considering the revised schedule, tomorrow's episode is

going to be our super cast exclusive interview or saga night, do a bit of a discussion and answer

AMA slash Q&A from listeners that you'd like to get access to that exclusive content and

submit your own questions. You can go to realignment.supercast.com or the link at the top of the show notes.

Hope you all enjoy the conversation.

Steve Krakow, welcome to The Realignment. Hey, great to be here.

Yeah, great to speak with you. I've been following your work for a while and we haven't done

a media criticism episode in a while. So this is a good chance to get into that. But speaking of media

for this conversation, especially, could you define what the media actually is?

It's a tough question, right? It's complicated. As I actually, I lay out in the first chapter of the

book. I have different definitions of it. The media, and I know it's in the subtitle of the book,

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