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352. Can This Man Stop a Trade War?

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🗓️ 4 October 2018

⏱️ 43 minutes

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Summary

The World Trade Organization is the referee for 164 trading partners, each with their own political and economic agendas. Lately, those agendas have gotten more complicated — especially with President Trump’s tariff blitz. Roberto Azevêdo, head of the W.T.O., tells us why it’s so hard to balance protectionism and globalism; what’s really behind the loss of jobs; and what he’d say to Trump (if he ever gets the chance).

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I Don't Know Again, it's Frekenomics.com slash TMS IDK. Hope to see you there. Okay on to

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today's episode. So are we in a trade war yet? Well, define a trade war and I'll give

1:16.5

you that answer. Yeah. For the past several months the United States has been trying to

1:22.6

gain some leverage with its trading partners. The president slapping new tariffs on steel

1:27.0

and aluminum imports from America's closest neighbors and allies. Sometimes it gets a bit rough.

1:32.5

Canadians are polite, we're reasonable but we also will not be pushed around. Just this

1:38.3

week a new trade deal was struck with our polite Canadian friends and with Mexico. We have

1:43.4

successfully completed negotiations on a brand new deal to terminate and replace NAFTA and

1:53.1

the NAFTA trade agreements with an incredible new US, Mexico, Canada agreement called US

2:01.3

MCA sort of just works MCA. But the aggressive trade renegotiations have continued, especially

2:10.2

with America's biggest frenemy. We can't continue to allow China to rape our country and that's

2:17.4

what they're doing. It's the greatest theft in the history of the world. China is imposing

2:23.0

new tariffs on US goods today after President Trump put tariffs on $200 billion worth of Chinese

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