Jason, now, you know what, this is the first time in two and a half years that I've been able

to say to a guest on this show. Boy, it was good to see you recently. Yeah, it was good,

it was good to see you in person for the first time since I want to say, probably maybe the fall

of of 2018, I don't know that I may, I can't remember, I'd have to look at my notes, but I know

that we were, we were both at the MacBook Pro briefings, I believe in the, in New York in the fall

of 2019, which is my last Apple briefing, I'm not sure if we were at the same time. Yeah, that,

we were, I was there for, in New York for that, but I missed the September iPhone one in 2019 with

yet another can't get on an airplane eye surgery in August. Right. So otherwise it would have been

three years ago, WDBC 2019. Yeah, why was good? Why were you in New York for that one?

Because that was where the briefing was. I had a couple of those where I get a call from Apple

that says, I think that one, it was even, we're going to have you in Cupertino on a Tuesday,

and I was like, okay, and then they call back and said, actually, we're going to have you in

Tribeca on a Monday. I'm like, okay. And so then I had to make like plane reservations and hotel

reservations and stuff, but they've done a couple events where they, I think it's tied to the

fact that they do, we've done some interviews with them for upgrade and the people who they wanted

to have as the interview we, they offered somebody and said, this is a product manager, we can have

them on your podcast, but you, they're going to be in New York. So you have to come to New York.

Because they usually do like a secondary set of interviews and, and briefings in, in Cupertino,

but in this case, the interview we was in New York. So we went to New York. I don't know why I have

deep sympathy for you having to go to New York, but don't sympathize with myself for going to

California all the time. We're going to California. Yeah. Yeah. It is, it is weird. I will say,

having events out here is kind of funny because yeah, everybody I know comes out in there in the

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