Folks, welcome to the show today. We have a very cool conversation. And it's about

cartridges that give you more than you expect. We're going to talk about the 35 Whelan and the

9 3x62, both of which are considered, well, mid-bore cartridges or light big-bore

cartridges by some people. And we're going to talk about how they achieve the things that

have made them both legendary. Today, I have a friend on the line. Gosh, he was hunting with the

9-3 by 62 before I ever heard of the cartridge, which is kind of unusual. I love obscure cartridges,

right? This is John McAdams, host of the

Big Game Hunting podcast. And John, it's just great to have you back on the show with me today.

Joseph, it's always a pleasure to talk to you, especially about a subject like this near and dear to

my heart, like the 9.3 by 62. Excellent. And folks, if this feels a little bit funny, it's because I did one of

those colossal screw-ups as a host and forgot to hit the record button. We've gone through this.

We did about 10 minutes, and then I suddenly thought, oh no. Anyway, so we're going to rehash what

we've just talked about, some great stories that were already coming out.

The two cartridges that we want to talk about are, in a funny way,

they're cartridges that just refused to die.

They were never promoted by a big marketing engine, right?

And any cartridge that not just survives, but thrives on its own merits, you can be sure

is a very good cartridge.

You know, my all-time favorite 280-approved is one such.

So the 35 Whalen, engineered and designed by our own Colonel Townsend Whelan here in the United States and the 9-3 by 62, which was designed in Germany.

And John, you know, since it's a senior cartridge, let's start with it.

Do you mind just kicking us off with a background, a bit of history on the 9 3 by 62 and talk through what

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