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Jen Rubin's Green Room

35: Upholding the Law with Michael Waldman

Jen Rubin's Green Room

Jen Rubin's Green Room

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🗓️ 10 January 2024

⏱️ 54 minutes

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Summary

Jen contrasts the strong pro-democracy speeches of President Biden with Trump’s immunity claims, and welcomes the Brennan Center’s Michael Waldman.  They lay out the scope of corruption delegitimizing the SCOTUS, and look at term limits, court expansion, an ethics code, and regular presidential appointments as possible remedies.  Then, they discuss the progression of the DOJ’s prosecutions of Trump, with a focus on his attempt to claim presidential immunity, Colorado and Maine’s 14th Amendment based ballot removals, and whether J6 legally qualifies as an insurrection.

Get More From This Week’s Guest:

Michael Waldman:
Twitter | Brennan Center | Author of “The Supermajority” & Other Books

Get More From Jennifer Rubin:
Twitter | Threads | WaPo | Author of “Resistance: How Women Saved Democracy From Donald Trump”

Transcript

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0:00.0

Hi, this is Jen Rubin, and this is Jen Rubin's Green Room.

0:15.3

It's only Tuesday, and it's already been a very eventful week.

0:20.1

On one hand, you had President Biden, who's given back-to-back

0:24.9

speeches on democracy and the threat Trump poses, which I really think should remove many of the

0:32.2

doubts that people had, that he wasn't up for this election, that he doesn't understand the stakes, that he wasn't

0:39.2

going to bring the fight to Donald Trump. These were two very strong speeches, one in Pennsylvania,

0:45.3

close to Valley Forge, and the other at the AME Church in Charleston. And he was quite adamant

0:53.2

that this is really about what kind of system we want to have.

0:56.9

Do we want to have someone who thinks he's a king?

0:58.8

Do we want to have someone who doesn't respect the choices of the American voters?

1:03.8

Someone who said he wants to use the military against peaceful protests.

1:08.0

Someone who wants to use the Justice Department to punish his enemy,

1:12.6

someone who wants to execute the former chairman of the Joint Chiefs. Biden was very strong.

1:19.4

He sounded good. He looked good, frankly. Maybe he needs to go to St. Croix more often.

1:24.2

But he looked great. He sounded great. And he certainly made his case. And it was a good

1:29.7

way, I think, to start off the election year for him. Meanwhile, in the D.C. Circuit case,

1:37.4

or the D.C. Circuit, rather, the decision by Judge Chetkin that said Donald Trump is not immune from prosecution went up on

1:47.4

appeal. This was what they called a hot bench, meaning that the three-person panel was very

1:54.8

active in questioning the lawyers, and in particular Trump's lawyers. And to put it mildly, it did not go down well with him,

2:03.0

their assertion that Donald Trump or any president

2:06.3

can do whatever he wants, commit any crime in office,

2:10.3

so long as he is acting within his office

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