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the Hello and welcome to another episode of Politics Theory Other.

My name is Alex Doherty and today I'm joined by Sophie Lewis.

We'll be talking about reproductive technology, the surrogate nature of all pregnancies, the need to reconceive of

pregnancy as work and the demand for the abolition of the nuclear family. As always, you can listen

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Sophie Lewis is a writer-translator and feminist geographer. She's a member of the Out of the Woods Collective, translator and feminist geographer.

She's a member of the Out of the Woods Collective, an editor at Blindfield, a journal of

cultural inquiry.

Her work has been published in Boston Review, Viewpoint magazine, feminism and psychology,

Jacobin, New Socialist, and Salvage Quarterly, amongst many other places.

Our conversation was prompted by Sophie's new book, Full Surrogacy Now, Feminism Against Family,

which is forthcoming from Verso Books, as well as by her recent article in You Socialist,

Labor Does You. Might Thinking Through Pregnancy as Work help us radicalise the politics of care. You can find a link to

the article in the description of today's show. I previously spoke to Sophie in episode 21, where we

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