Hello everybody welcome back to the Hamelcast I am Jillian I'm Bianca today we are joined by Howard

Sherman hello Howard I have a big intro for you that I'm going to read

do the short version sure I'll try to it's Can you do the short version? Sure.

I'll try to. It's like three pages on your website.

You are an arts administrator, an advocate, a writer.

In February 2015, you were named the director of the New Arts Integrity Initiative

at the New school for drama.

You are an influential advocate for high school theater and you write extensively

about intellectual and creative freedom in academic, community, and professional theater.

You're kind of all over the place,

but arguably most importantly,

you are the man behind the camera

during the ham for ham performances.

I am a man behind a cell phone for some of the Abraham performances.

Okay. Well, thank you so much for being here. I know our listeners are going to be very

excited because we've gotten a lot of emails and

tweets about how upset they are that for ham is now over. Yeah, yeah, it's

it's sort of understandable but as somebody who got in the habit of going to it, and I really mean habit,

even though I sort of tried to pull back, I find I miss it. It was part of the rhythm of my week for a year.

Yeah, I understand it too.

Oh, it makes total sense. I mean, we've both been to the lottery several times and I want to say it bad things could happen. I was very

worried for people's safety. It can't be. After the winter when they taking the break and

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