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Justice By Design

35: Fight For The Law Like Kermit The Frog

Justice By Design

Justice By Design

Politics, News

4.5616 Ratings

🗓️ 2 May 2025

⏱️ 33 minutes

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Summary

Kimberly Atkins Stohr speaks with Elie Mystal, author of 'Bad Law', about the flaws in American laws and the need for reform. They discuss the impact of bad laws on democracy, particularly focusing on voting and immigration laws. Elie Mystal emphasizes the importance of understanding the origins of these laws and advocates for systemic changes to create a more just society. The conversation highlights the need for smarter voting practices and the potential for expanding representation in Congress.

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my favorite fictional character is Kermit the Frog.

0:02.9

As he says in Muppet,

0:03.9

take Manhattan,

0:04.8

you need more dogs and cats and bears and chickens and things.

0:07.8

You just need more people in the show that will make the show better.

0:11.9

So that's a huge solution that,

0:13.2

again,

0:13.4

that we can do right now by statute.

0:15.2

There is no constitutional check on the number of people who can be in Congress.

0:22.2

And so we could expand Congress literally by a bill tomorrow.

0:25.8

I'm Kimberly Atkins Store, and this is Justice by Design, where we don't just talk about the

0:31.6

problems that our society faces. We talk about ways to fix them. And that's why I could not be happier at a time where

0:40.2

there are so many questions about the rule of law, about democracy, and what our laws are for

0:46.8

at a time when lawyers are under attack. And we have to pave a different future.

0:54.6

I cannot be happier to be joined by Ellie Mistal, who is a legal wonderkin and also the author of the new book, Bad Law, where he takes on 10 popular laws that are ruining America.

1:10.9

Ellie, thank you for joining me today.

1:13.2

Thank you so much for having me, Kimberly.

1:14.5

How are you?

1:15.4

I am good.

1:16.6

So the thing that I love about this book, other than the fact that even though it's talking

1:21.9

about super depressing subjects, like how our system of government is collapsing and how laws aren't helping. In fact,

1:29.9

they're making it worse. But that it does so by also making you laugh uproariously. So I highly

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