It's time for episode 348 of the Clockwise Podcast from Relay FM recorded Wednesday, May 27th, 2020.

Clockwise, four people,obsessed tech podcast. That's ambivalent about herbs. I am Micah Sargent, and I'm joined across the internet by my pal, my dungeon buddy, and

my co-host.

I think I already said that part.

It's Dan Morin.

How you doing, Dan?

I knew an herb once.

He was all right.

Ah, yes, Erb Wokowski.

Um, I am pleased to say that we are also joined by two awesome guests. And to my left is

VFX artist and, of course, podcaster over on The Incomparable with Defocused and a few other

shows that you may have heard about. It is Joe Rosensteele. Hi, Joe.

Hi, Micah. And to my left this week, it is a web editor and producer of the Texas

standard, a writer about all sorts of things, including tech, classic film, and accessibility,

and the host of several podcasts, including parallel right here on Real AFM and Lions Towers

and Shields over at The Incomparable. It's Shelly Brisbane. Welcome back, Shelly.

Hello, Dan. You can take a breath now.

It's the allergies, too. The asthma really gets me this time of year. Let me tell you.

I'm going to need a couple minutes to recover here. Michael, why don't you take it from here? I will gladly do that.

Yeah, so I've noticed, and maybe you have had the same situation, but certainly for me,

sleep has been difficult as of late. If I do fall asleep, I find myself waking up in a bit of a

panic 30 to 45 minutes after falling asleep and kind of just rinse and repeat all night.

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