Hey, let's be honest. Too many set out for fulfillment and end up settling for success.

But we all know, and many of us have even experienced the fact that money, fame, power,

and influence, they have very little to do with work that matters, and even less to do

with living for a purpose bigger than yourself. From the Ransy Network, this is the Entrez

Leadership Podcast where we help business leaders grow themselves, their teams, and their

profits. I'm your host Alex Judd, and today's guest has lived a story that epitomizes the

difference between success and fulfillment. As co-founder of the billion dollar brand,

Quest Nutrition, and the game-changing media company Impact Theory, Tom Billiou is very

clear about the mission that he is on, and he's pretty serious about it. So serious that

he sometimes calls it a sickness. But as you will hear, the road to today was long, winding,

and full of lessons that changed his life. I have an intense need to matter, and I always

tell people, I'm not saying that's a good thing. Maybe years of therapy would take that away.

I don't think so though. Like, to be honest, I don't feel haunted by it. It is something

that I get such a profoundly powerful neurochemical response to. When I'm doing something that matters,

it feels good. So I talk a lot about fulfillment. People think that wealth or fame or prestige

are going to be the things that are going to make them feel good about themselves. Look,

all of those things actually have a lot of utility to them. I get why people will perpetually

chase them and to pretend that being famous doesn't have advantages would be a mistake.

Because they do have advantages and people continue to pursue these things. But nothing matters.

Nothing even comes close to matching fulfillment. So fulfillment, I will say, is oftentimes born

out of suffering. It's born out of the hard things. It's doing difficult things that make you

feel good about yourself. And if people live their life in a way that made them feel good about

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