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The Talk Show With John Gruber

347: ‘After Steve’, With Tripp Mickle

The Talk Show With John Gruber

John Gruber

Technology

3.63.6K Ratings

🗓️ 15 May 2022

⏱️ 127 minutes

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Summary

Special guest Tripp Mickle joins the show to talk about his new book, *After Steve*, reporting on the last decade at Apple.

Transcript

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0:00.0

Let me just say right off the bat that I'm not sure I've ever seen a book that spoils itself

0:05.1

based on the subtitle alone.

0:09.2

By that, I mean, it's easy to judge it by the cover and dismiss it or what?

0:13.5

Well, not dismiss it, but the cover is very opinionated. And to me,

0:21.0

and reading the book, I think it's certainly an intriguing title.

0:28.9

And maybe I've never written a book so I don't know how titling and subtitling a book

0:35.8

goes into projected sales and stuff like that. And I can imagine that there's some idea that

0:41.9

with that subtitle, the book might spark more interest right off the shelf than if it was just

0:48.0

called After Steve with no lost its sole part. Or After Steve, how Apple became a trillion dollar

0:56.0

company, right? It's the lost its sole is the hmm, that's that's pretty sharp.

1:02.9

Right, right. And it's funny, when you go into the contract phase with a book, or at least in

1:09.6

this case, in my experience, I literally only have one experience because I'm only written one

1:13.8

book. It wasn't like the title was there. You know, the title was born out of really deep thought

1:19.1

about what the structure of the book should be and what the book should be about. And what story

1:25.6

was going to tell? So the contract didn't dictate that the error wasn't based on the title.

1:33.3

So it's interesting to think about like, oh, well, the title is designed to get sales.

1:38.0

I honestly like, in my mind, that's a bit of an afterthought. The title is more designed to

1:43.4

reflect the reporting in the book, but also be provocative enough that people look at it and say,

1:48.8

well, that's that seems interesting. It'll at least made me think or have some feeling.

1:55.8

Some people have said like the book made them angry or riled them up. And they, you know, they were,

2:02.0

they said that that would be the case in their eyes. And whether you loved Apple or had issues

2:06.8

with Apple, which I'd rather people feel feel one way or the other after reading it than just

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