I'm Ben Sawyer.

I'm Bob Crawford.

And this is The Road to Now.

This week we have two guests joining us.

The first is my MTSU history colleague, Andrew Fialca, who specializes in the Civil War,

and the other is illustrator Andrew Carmen.

And these two gentlemen have recently published a fantastic new book, and I mean is illustrator Andrew Carman. And these two gentlemen have recently

published a fantastic new book, and I mean that, it's so engaging. The title is Hope Never to See

It, a graphic history of guerrilla violence in the American Civil War, and there's so much to talk

about here. But if it's okay with you guys before we get to the images, let's start off with the

context. The book is about the

Civil War, but you're looking specifically at guerrilla warfare, a topic that was long

pushed to the side and treated as largely insignificant in Missouri, that itself gets

little attention in popular accounts of the war. But the story you tell makes clear that both

guerrilla warfare and what happens in Missouri play a central role in both

the years of the war and in what happens when the war ends in 1865. Could you talk about that?

Okay. So to come full circle on this, the reason why this kind of violence was pushed under the rug

is because it was pushed under the rug at the archival level.

The federal government is the one that creates the official records of the Union and Confederate armies after the war in the 1880s.

And the U.S. government's putting this together and they say, well, we need both sides

of the story.

We need the Confederate records as well. But the Confederate Army burnt down the Capitol when they left. When they fled

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