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The Greg McKeown Podcast

346. Unlocking AI's Potential with Jeremy Utley, David McRaney, and Henrik Werdelin (Part 1)

The Greg McKeown Podcast

Greg McKeown

Education, Business, Self-improvement

4.81.1K Ratings

🗓️ 29 October 2024

⏱️ 42 minutes

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Summary

About the Guests: Jeremy Utley: A notable faculty member at Stanford University's D School and author of "Idea Flow: The Only Business Metric That Matters." Jeremy is known for his research and insights into creativity, innovation, and the interplay between human cognition and technology. He has been instrumental in exploring the applications of AI in problem-solving and productivity. David McRaney: A researcher focused on the concept of genius and cognitive biases. He hosts a podcast where he explores these themes extensively, having Jeremy Utley as one of his guests in exploring the cognitive bias in people's collaboration with AI. Henrik Werdelin: Known for his exploratory insights into AI, its capabilities, and implications for the future. Henrik is an entrepreneur and author best known for co-founding Bark, as well as starting Prehype, a venture building research and development group headquartered in New York. Episode Summary: Joined by Jeremy Utley, David McRaney, and Henrik Werdelin, the discussion takes a deep dive into how AI could act as a facilitator in human interactions, potentially bridging gaps in communication. The episode addresses the potential of AI as a tool for mutual understanding and its limitations in conveying authentic emotional connections. There is a focus on how AI can strive toward becoming a "faithful translator," aiding in better translating human thoughts and emotions into shared understanding. This interplay of AI, cognitive biases, and communication brings forth a rich conversation on the collective and individual impacts of AI on productivity and personal clarity. Key Takeaways: AI has the potential to bridge gaps in communication, acting as a "faithful translator" to help humans better understand each other. Cognitive biases and the ambiguity of language highlight the challenges AI faces in truly capturing and conveying authentic human emotions. The importance of AI lies not just in providing organized information but in facilitating deeper layers of connection and understanding. Practical applications of AI in summary and synthesis show promise, yet the depth of understanding requires further development. AI can serve as a catalyst for personal insights, yet users must actively guide it to achieve exceptional results. Notable Quotes: "As our ability to understand each other approximates zero, so does our ability to do anything else." "The medium is the message. The technology you use uses you." "AI's best use is in establishing a shared conceptual framework before we start the conversation." "It's not the utility of the communication, it is the emotional connection." "If this could be exceptional, how could it? What would I need to say for it to be truly exceptional?" Resources: Jeremy Utley's book: "Idea Flow: The Only Business Metric That Matters" Follow Jeremy on X, Instagram, and LinkedIn Follow David on X, Instagram, and LinkedIn Follow Henrik on Instagram, and LinkedIn Affiliate links are used where appropriate. We earn from qualifying purchases, thank you for supporting Greg! Join my weekly newsletter. Learn more about my books and courses. Join The Essentialism Academy. Follow me on LinkedIn, Instagram, X, Facebook, and YouTube.

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forward slash 1MW. Welcome back everybody. It's a pleasure to be with you. It's such a pleasure to be with you. And it's such a pleasure to have an ad free podcast now.

0:55.0

Doesn't that just feel right?

0:56.5

Doesn't that seem like the right way forward?

0:59.5

I'll tell you another thing that's the right way forward I received a call from Jeremy Utley who's a friend for many years now and the author of Idea Flow the only business metric that matters.

1:12.9

I first worked with Jeremy when he was a faculty member

1:16.9

at the D School at Stanford.

1:19.2

But we've stayed in touch and worked together

1:21.5

in all sorts of fun ways, and he wondered whether I would be interested in doing a mash-up with three people

1:30.0

all in various ways fascinated by AI what it can do, what it can't do yet, what the future might

1:39.2

be able to achieve.

1:40.4

So this is part one of that conversation.

1:44.0

Part two will come next.

1:45.0

The most important thing I want to say going into this was feedback that Jeremy gave me at one point.

1:50.0

He said,

1:52.0

It seems like you Greg a coming at AI with a sense of what it can't do rather

1:59.0

than what it can do and I hadn't really thought that I was doing that. I don't see myself in any perspective on technology as a Luddite. I don't think technology is bad. I think it can be utilized in a huge range of ways. I think of it a little like Brad Smith, the

2:18.8

current president of Microsoft expressed it to me on a previous podcast episode here, that technology is tool

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