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For now, on to today's episode where we're speaking with Dr. Emma Dowling.

You know, I'm in favor of people being compassionate. I think that's a good thing.

But I think we have to also not fall into the trap of, you know,

the kind of change that we need is more than people simply changing their behavior.

We have to actually change something

structurally about the way that our economy and society are organized. Based at the University of

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