I dreamt that you were twisting through seven sons of gold and the gypsy was insisting

that his story must be told I came two in the morning but I took it as a warning

that you might be a treasure.

I could touch but never hold.

Hello, everybody.

You are listening to the SoapurFa Podcast,

and I'm joined today by Dr. Judy Rosenberg.

Welcome.

Well, thank you very much for having me on.

Appreciate it. Well, I appreciate very much for having me on. Appreciate it.

Well, I appreciate you.

I get so many requests to come on my podcast.

I get loads of pitches.

And yours was like just an instant yes.

I'm like, oh, that's a subject we need to talk about.

So let me, Dr. Judy is a licensed clinical psychologist with over 40 years specializing

in addiction, trauma, and healing. And what you've come on to talk about today, which I just think

is going to be so relevant for so many people, is smoking and vaping. Yes. Yeah, still a big deal

on the planet. Yeah. Isn't it interesting?

I'm an ex-smoker.

I quit a year before I got sober, so I'm 27 years nicotine-free.

I want to tell you, cigarettes were my drug of choice.

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