Welcome to the tech policy podcast. I'm Corbyn Barthold.

Today we're returning to the topic of China on a recent show, episode 337, we heard from Lisa Lynn,

a reporter for the Wall Street Journal about the Chinese Communist Party's attempt to use

technology to build a surveillance state within its own borders.

Today, we turn to the topic of what China's rise as a tech power means for American national security.

We'll be touching on TikTok, the new House China Select Committee,

Sino-American competition over the import and export of high-tech goods and more.

I am so pleased to be joined for this discussion by Jimmy Quinn,

the National Security Correspondent for National Review.

Jimmy, it is great to have you on.

Corbyn, thanks so much for having me.

It's great to be on your show. So we have to start you on. Corbyn, thanks so much for having me. It's great to be on your show.

So we have to start with TikTok, both because this is a tech podcast and because it is such a huge

issue. Everyone is paying attention to it. The congressional hearing with TikTok CEO,

Shoo-Z-Chu was, well, it left me with mixed emotions.

I'll put it that way because I never like these tech congressional hearings.

This one especially had even more than some of the other ones, the vibe of a show trial,

which is precisely the kind of

thing that I would think is a Marxist pastime, not ours. And in that regard, it was frustrating.

Although that was not as frustrating as listening to Chu refuse to acknowledge, even simple facts like the fact that there is persecution

of Uyghurs in Western China.

So I was just left generally dyspeptic, but I will let you take it away from here.

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