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Hey, it's your host, Kamea Shane, and this is Green Dreamer.

As a community-powered show, we do need more listener support to be able to continue producing these episodes this year.

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For now, on to today's episode where we're speaking with Dr. Bia Labace.

Some of the way indigenous people understand reality challenge, some of the very

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