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Welcome to Crawl Space. I'm Tim here today with Lance Lance. How are you today?

Doing great today, Tim. We have one of our guests on today who has been on recently, very recently,

and the subject matter that we covered was very serious the first time around.

This content is not as serious. It has some serious elements, some danger.

But it gave us the chance to explore our relationship with this person on a little bit more of a jovial level.

And what she's done in her professional career is remarkable. But before we get to that, Tim,

I want to write the chapter on how you're doing today. How are you? Is this a long chapter?

Is it sort of like one of those short Stephen King chapters that says, I'm good.

Yeah, it's a prologue type of chapter. I'm doing great. I'm well. I'm excited to speak with author Kerry Drowman again.

Yes, we spoke with her only like a month ago about the book that Shiko wrote called Aurora,

the psychiatrist who treated the movie theater killer tells her story. And this appearance from Kerry,

we are talking about her other books. Most of them have to do with motorcycle gangs.

And yeah, that is a little more jovial, a little lighter than the movie theater mass shooter for sure.

But definitely some good dangers, some good stories of danger involved. One of her books, Vagos, Mongols, and Outlaws,

my infiltration of America's deadliest biker gangs that she co-wrote with Charles Falco is great.

Really interesting stories. So we we highly recommend her books on motorcycle gangs.

Specifically, OMG's the outlaw motorcycle gangs. So they were OMG's before OMG was a thing in the lexicon of the younger generation.

And that really took me back to the days of my motorcycle gang, the LOLs.

Well, that sounds like a dangerous group there, Lance. Luckily Kerry hasn't written the book about about the LOLs quite yet.

But but these books are fantastic and she has got so many stories and her story of how she got involved in writing these books about biker gangs is really fascinating as well.

Yeah, and be sure to check out if you haven't listened to the episode that we had her on where she talks about her experience with Dr. Lynn Fenton about the Aurora movie theater shooting.

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