It looks to me as though there's some fairly large pieces of this sub-lep, which I don't quite understand.

They literally rebuilt that 747 from the pieces that we brought up from the bottom, and that was crucial.

The more they can get off the bottom, the better understanding they're going to have but what happened.

If somebody was knowingly cutting corners and elevating the risk and hiding that risk,

there can be some kind of criminal negligence at the very least.

Hello and welcome to the best case worst case.

This is Jim Clemente Retider, P.I. Profile of Former New York City Prosecutor and Writer, Producer of Criminal Minds.

And with me today is the lovely, inimitable.

Hi everybody, it's Francy Hakes, Former State and Federal Prosecutor.

Jim, normally I say let's dive right back in where we left off and hear that seems a little bit poignant but appropriate since we have a very special guest and we're talking about something that involves diving and the depths of the deepest ocean and the deepest spaces on planet Earth and our special guest is.

Hi, I'm Bob Hachakone, Retired of P.I. Agent Attorney and Former Senior Team Leader of the FBI dive teams.

I would like to get right back in where we from where we left off, you know, we've been talking about this horrific tragedy that happened that it seemed like the world was holding its breath and watching the Titans of Mercable, which was bringing tourists down to the wreck of the Titanic and we had been talking about all the ins and outs of science and pressure and.

And the tragedy that happened in the experimental nature of everything so let's just get right back to it.

So Bobby as the week went on and became obvious that there was not going to really be a rescue because like you say, while the Navy, the Coast Guard, the Canadians, the French, the Brits, I mean everybody was sending things that they had.

It was never going to get there in time. I mean, you just nothing could really have gotten there in time.

And of course, we found out just a few days into this sort of drama and saga and tragedy that the wreckage of the submersible had been found on the ocean floor and that there was no possibility that anyone had survived.

So what I want to talk to you guys about is what this podcast is about best case worst case. And so this is obviously a worst case scenario. You have these intrepid explorers going out with the owner, the guy who designed the sub and like own the company that manufactured the sub and it gone down to the Titanic himself many times.

He was on the submersible. So clearly he, you know, was willing to accept whatever the risk was, as I guess we're the other four people to whom were pretty sophisticated. The other was a man and his son who were kind of adventures or wannabe adventures.

And, and they're all lost. They're all gone. You know, they've all been killed and as Bobby described that implosion you talked about which would have been instantaneous, if not faster than instantaneous.

But Bobby, you said something interesting that I think bears on what us three lawyers kind of pick up on and that is this sub didn't seem to have any kind of safety equipment. If you want to put it that way.

Do you think as a as a former FBI diver who's been a diver with the Navy, you've helped the Navy, you've trained with the Navy.

Do you think that was reckless or was that a bad decision? Do you think civil liability might lie with a company that produces something that can't be rescued in an emergency?

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