#341 Native Nations w/ Kathleen DuVal
The Road to Now
Benjamin Sawyer
4.8 • 628 Ratings
🗓️ 23 June 2025
⏱️ 54 minutes
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Summary
Kathleen DuVal joins Ben & Bob for a discussion of her Pulitzer Prize-winning book Native Nations: A Millennium in North America (Random House, 2024) and how understanding North American history from both Native and non-Native perspectives helps us better understand our shared story. We also discuss her work with Ken Burns on his upcoming documentary on the American Revolution.
Dr. Kathleen DuVal is Professor of History at the University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill.
Previous episodes mentioned in this conversation:
-#183 The History of the Lumbee Indians w/ Malinda Maynor Lowery (also available here on YouTube)
-#5 Tara Houska & Joe Genetin Pilawa on Native American Culture & History
This episode was edited by Ben Sawyer
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| 0:00.0 | I'm Bob Crawford. |
| 0:06.1 | I'm Ben Sawyer. |
| 0:07.4 | And this is the road to now. |
| 0:09.7 | Yes, it is. The Road to Now. |
| 0:11.8 | Bob, we're a little bit up the street from you right now in North Carolina. |
| 0:16.5 | Our guest today, you want to do the honors, Bob? |
| 0:18.9 | Yeah, our guest today is Kathleen DeVall. |
| 0:21.7 | She's the author of Navy. She's the author of Native Nations, a millennium in North America. Incredible book. Ben, |
| 0:29.4 | I've done, uh, just to confess, very limited on Native American history. Very limited. |
| 0:37.3 | And it's like, it's like building a house without the foundation. |
| 0:42.9 | It is. |
| 0:43.3 | You know what I'm saying? |
| 0:44.3 | Which I mean, that actually, I mean, that this kind of fits the theme. |
| 0:48.3 | You know, I was going back as I was reading this book, you know, Native Nations, a |
| 0:53.3 | Millennium in North America. Fantastic. I spent a lot of time reading this book. You know, Native Nations, a Millennium in North America. |
| 0:54.6 | Fantastic. I spent a lot of time with this book. I don't think that I've spent so much time |
| 1:00.5 | with a book for a guest since Freedom's Dominion by Jeff Cowley. Oh, wait. I'm sorry. Did you say |
| 1:07.9 | Jeff Cowley? You mean, you mean Pulitzer Prize winner Jeff Cowie, who has been a |
| 1:14.6 | guest on this program several times. Yes, good friend of ours. Bring the circle around. Kathleen, |
| 1:21.3 | congratulations. Thank you very much. And I think Kathleen has not only won the, earned the Pulitzer Prize, and she is now the |
| 1:32.1 | second Pulitzer Prize winner on the Rotinale, as far as I know. |
| 1:36.6 | There's been two. |
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