Welcome to the Building a Story Brand podcast where we believe if you confuse

you'll lose. Noise is the enemy and creating a clear message is the best way to grow

your business.

I'm your host Donald Miller.

I'm joined with my co-host, J. J. J. J. J. J.

how are you?

I'm doing fantastic.

I'm doing terrific. Listen, you? I'm doing terrific.

Listen, we've got an incredible interview today with Stephen Mansfield.

And actually goes a little bit long. I mean, you know, we just got into the groove on this one.

And it's 10 signs that you're going to crash as a leader.

And you're going to take a lot of people down with you.

And these signs are not things you would think about.

But they're incredibly practical.

You listen to you and you go, yeah, it's exactly what happens yeah and you know I'm not

gonna tell you anymore but I will tell you this one of them is you're isolated you

don't have good friends yeah and that I mean I've not it's kind of a sentimental moment.

You're one of the people that I kept thinking about

as I talked to Stephen.

Because he talked about how leaders will often surround themselves

with people who won't tell them the truth.

And one of the things that you and I have developed,

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