You're listening to gender, a wider lens.

I'm Stella O'Malley, a psychotherapist in Ireland.

And I'm Sasha Ayad, an adolescent therapist in the United States.

Since 2016, my practice has been exclusively dedicated to gender questioning teens

and families impacted by gender dysphoria. I also work with gender questioning

teenagers and I facilitated support meetings for families and

individuals who have been impacted by gender issues. We're curious about the

concept of gender and how it's unfolding in the wider culture. Join us as we look at gender through a wider lens.

Hi Stella, how is it going today?

I'm well, how are you?

Doing well.

Today we've got a very tricky subject you know it's going to be an

episode devoted to suicide, suicidality, attempted suicide and I know some people might want immediately turn off. I think it's really

important that we look at it, we look at the psychology of it, we give it a good in-depth kind of analysis, so that people who do listen to it understand the many many

many facets and layers that underlie it because I think people close down the conversation about suicide and the kind of suicide is bad

here's the links to the mental health services

quick quick quick close it down move it on and I don't think that's fair and I don't think that's appropriate and I think it's very important that we give

This subject touchy and awful and

all frightening as it is. It's so common in some groups that we need to kind of say, well, let's have a look at it, what's going on?

And also, it's so misrepresented in so many ways. I know in my own book

Fragile I talked a lot about the mental health and industry and how it has lost its

way in many ways and the way we report about mental health issues is anxiety being a big one is

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