I think it's interesting that you take the things that sort of are disturbing or

distressing and you're able to use it in your acting almost like therapy.

I think that what our show is still good at doing is very dark.

We focus on serial killers, getting inside of their heads, how they think.

But the flip side of that is that we have these amazing profiler, these amazing

appear rows.

You got this kid to open up and say his name and to smile, to feel comfortable, to feel safe.

Hello and welcome to Best Case Worst Case.

This is Jim Clemente, Retired FBI Profile of Former in New York City Prosecutor and

writer producer of Criminal Minds.

And with me today,

Hi everybody, it's Francie Hakes, former State and Federal Prosecutor and Executive Producer of

Audible's Breaking Justice, the Kane-Valasca story.

Jim, it's been a week now, really, technically.

And I'm still in Fenn girl mode, I have to admit, because of our special guest that we had

on last week and we have managed to wrangle her to come back again this week to continue

our discussion, it sort of shocks me that she's willing to come back and talk to you.

I mean, I understand why she wanted me.

Clearly.

Why is she going to talk to you?

Could you let her talk a little bit?

Could you actually allow her to introduce her to me?

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